I think I'll stick to welfare. Trying to sift through the arguments and counter arguments put by National and ACT regarding the Coastal and Marine Bill has defeated me. But my claim that ACT has reversed its position since 2005 is apparently wrong. Fair enough. I was still distracted by their insistence that Maori shouldn't be able to block, or charge for, access to private property (as proven under customary title).
Here is what Rodney Hide said a while back on Kiwiblog;
ACT is the only party never to have flip-flopped on the foreshore and seabed. Our position has never changed.
ACT opposed Labour’s discriminatory Foreshore and Seabed Bill 2004. I joined the Hikoi in Wellington. We argued that iwi — like every NZer — were entitled to their day in court.
In our discussions with both the Maori Party and National Parties, ACT’s position has always been the same:
1. Repeal the Foreshore and Seabed Act;
2. Return iwi and hapu to their pre-2004 legal position with respect to the Foreshore and Seabed;
3. Enable claims for customary title to be heard by the High Court, not the Maori Land Court. As I understand it the Maori Land Court is not equipped either to (a) hear claims for customary title; or, (b) recognise customary title. Their only redress is to award fee-simple title;
4. Legislate public access.
Instead the Maori Party and National Party have agreed to a confusing and confused legislative solution. It is to be Parliament, i.e. politicians and politics, determining the extent of customary title (of course, it is to be no longer customary title, but statutory title), and the test for granting title. It won’t be the Courts determining customary title based on the law and the facts, but politics.
Worse, National’s new Bill gives the Attorney-General the power to negotiate deals carving up the coast with iwi in his office in secret. It’s a disgrace. Politics will determine which iwi get in the door — and what they get.
The objection to ACT’s position from both parties is that the courts would take too long and may determine that iwi and hapu claims are without merit, i.e. that the courts would not award title. That’s certainly what the Court of Appeal judgement suggested and that would be consistent with the 1963 90-mile beach claim. The test under customary law is a high one. Perhaps an impossibly high one.
But that’s not an argument for lowering the test and extending the extent of the rights that can be awarded.
ACT is the only party that has stuck to its principles throughout.
Both the National and Maori Parties promised that iwi would not charge the public for access to the foreshore and seabed in statutory title. But, of course, the Bill as drafted doesn’t preclude that.
ACT is attempting to make sure the government delivers on that promise by proposing an amendment accordingly.
Commentators referring the situation of land held in fee simple or rights granted by the courts are making a straw man. The title being granted under the proposed Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Bill is not fee simple, and is not customary title being granted by the courts under customary law; but rather is title granted by politicians in parliament and the Attorney-General in his office.
ACT will oppose this law for the reasons outlined above but in the meantime will propse amendments to ensure it does what the politicians promise it does!
Rodney Hide
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They are bullshitting. They are trying to claim that black is white and the moon is made out of green cheese. ACT never specifically promised public access. In fact, Gerry Eckhoff went out there to oppose it when white farmers were being asked to have hikers on their land. And yet now they are saying Maori shouldn't have the same right.
Whether their policy has been consistent or not, it remains that their current policy is racist, morally wrong, and not consistent with ACT's principles of one law for all and the protection of property rights.
They have no principles, are a waste of everyone's time, and deserve to be turfed out of parliament so that we can all start over and build a genuine laissez faire political movement in New Zealand.
For the first time ever, I think ACT have made a worthwhile point. Not racist. But neither allowing for all the back-door avenues of the Bill, via negotiations with the Minister, and via avoiding the RMA. If there is legislation it should recognise Part II matters of the RMA and the NZCoastal Policy Statement. The Bill invites all sorts of blackmail through veto powers. Yes, best to scrap the Bill and the 2004 legislation.
Act have got it wrong.
They are looking for problems that might happen.
More than likely they want happen.
ACT are just pandering to the rednecks.
Time to move on.
liberty
The moon is not made out of green cheese? Well i never.
Dirk
"pandering to the rednecks..." Oh dear. This is now the standard response when any race based legislation is criticised.
Shortly before I left parliament, Mike Heine and I did a tour of Northland speaking about the threat posed by this Bill. Literally everywhere we went, people gave examples of being ordered off "Maori" beaches, or asked to pay money to stayon them .
Turia accused ACT of "pandering to the rednecks" and seeking out rare examples of silly behaviour.
It wasnt rare, and we didnt have to seek it out - the examples were freely offered, and not only by pakeha.
That is happening NOW, without any legal basis. Anyone who believes there will not be an explosion of such behaviour if this Bill is passed is much sillier than the "rednecks" are supposedly racist.
David the red neck
How many of these so called extortion cases. Were in fact people just crossing private land?
Which has got nothing to do with the foreshore.
Liberty
The thing about "property rights"and "day in court" sounds fine but in the case of Maori this is outside the square. Maori are claiming that under the treaty they never ceded sovereignty and kept their forests and fisheries. They also claim aboriginal title which they think should becomea property right under common law. The Greens are saying the Crown should prove they don't own the foreshore and seabed.
Chris Trotter makes the point that the treay was between the Crown and Rangitira and so was undemocratic. I'm inclined to agree that non Maori citizens would never have settled on those terms, the alternative would have been to have a war.
Anonymous (funny how so many wish to remain anonymous): None of them were cases of being charged for crossing private (or Maori) land.
ACT has already acknowledged our mistake in confusing charging for ACCESS accross private land adjoining beaches ...which is absolutely fine...with extracting payment for USE of the beach itself, which is a very different thing...
David the Redneck
If money is being extorted off people on the beach now. The current law is not working.
Have any claims of extortion been made to the police? If not why not?
I suspect the claims have been blown out of all per portion.
by the local rednecks.
Liberty
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