Wednesday, March 29, 2023

Responding to Marama Davidson's dogma

Green's co-leader Marama Davidson just keeps digging the hole she is in deeper. First she showed her bitter antipathy towards white CIS (same gender as birth) men. Then she walked it back to all men. 

Last night on TV1 News she said, “…overwhelmingly it is men who are the biggest threat to women and children when it comes to violence and I needed to make that clarification.”

Marama is the Minister for the Prevention of Family and Sexual Violence and says she wants us to have these “hard and uncomfortable conversations” (which is reminiscent of what Metiria Turei fatefully wanted when she publicly confessed to ripping off the benefit system.)

But back to Marama. Forget for a moment the offence intended and taken, is her revised statement true?

If Police, Corrections or Oranga Tamariki stats are put up as evidence, the court would find in her favour. More men are in prison for family violence convictions than women; police arrest more men than women for family violence and more men commit physical abuse against children than women (though not “overwhelmingly”. If other forms of abuse are considered women outdo men. Take for instance a quote from MSD gang research which revealed, “The alleged perpetrator of abuse or neglect of gang member’s children was more often recorded as the child’s mother than the gang member father.”)

Sticking to the term ‘violence’ though, a vital point must be made. The NZ Police state:

"Most reported family violence is committed by men against women and children, although women, like men, can assault children. A growing number of men say that female violence against them is not treated as seriously as male assaults on women. International research indicates only about 20% of family violence incidents are actually reported. So a lot is happening in our community that the Police don’t know about."

The majority of family violence goes unreported.  So what do we know about unreported violence? One source is longitudinal studies. In New Zealand the best known of these is the Dunedin Multidisciplinary Study which has followed a large cohort of children born in the early seventies and continues to publish data.

It looked specifically at physical partner violence when the cohort reached their early twenties. The United States justice department published the findings and compared them to their own:

Women were the greater perpetrators of physical partner violence which included choking, hitting, shoving, throwing objects, threatening with a knife, kicking, biting, shaking, etc. 

Are the results reliable? According to the brief, “Couples’ responses to the interview showed that agreement about whether specific abusive behaviors had happened was poor, as has been suggested by previous research. Study members and their partners did not agree about whether, for example, one of them had tried to strangle the other. However, agreement improved dramatically when the individual items were summed into scales that counted the variety of different abuse behaviors performed in the past year. Although members of a couple may not recall exactly the same acts, they can agree on whether or not abuse took place and on the extent of the abuse. Agreement was even stronger when random measurement errors were removed statistically.”

This is thirty years ago though. To check for any substantial change a 2016/17 version of the US National Family Violence survey is available. Again, the symmetry between the genders is strong.

For women, 42% reported experiencing any ‘physical violence’ by an intimate partner in their lifetime. For men the rate was 42.3 percent. (Women were more likely to experience sexual coercion or stalking than men.)

As well as evidence from the Dunedin project, Professor David Fergusson directed the Christchurch Health and Development Study which tracked 1,265 children born in 1977 and in 2005 found that men and women reported similar experiences of victimisation and perpetration of domestic violence. According to the Otago Daily Times

University of Otago Professor David Fergusson, an expert on domestic violence, said the public perception that men were the perpetrators of most domestic violence was the result of biased publicity.

"The proper message is that both gender groups have a capacity for domestic violence [and] women probably perpetrate more assaults on children then men do," Mr Fergusson said.

Unfortunately, Prof Fergusson is no longer with us, but I can attest to his frustration at being routinely ignored by politicians and feel duty bound to recall his work in this area.

The more recent longitudinal study, Growing Up in New Zealand may in time provide a source for actual experience of partner violence but at this stage the participants are only just entering adolescence.

Then again, with ministers like Marama Davidson it’s unlikely to be used to further our understanding of the real world. The last four days have shown that her negative view of men is fixed and she won’t be searching for any evidence to the contrary.

Excitable dogma may be an asset in an activist but not in a minister. She should go.


Anonymous said...

Obviously Stuff doesn't know the facts about male versus female violence - see today's article. Perhaps you could submit an article to them.

Max Ritchie said...

You could just leave it at “Obviously Stuff doesn’t know the facts”. Re anything.

david said...

The stuff article was based on an interview with someone from womans refuge. I presume she doesn't see that many male victims. Also I saw reported that men are the main perpetrators of family violence against women. Put that way, it is unsurprising really.

Lindsay Mitchell said...

The Stuff article quotes the Victims of Crime Survey and uneven experience of sexual assault and IPV.

From the same survey, "Coercive control is a form of family violence that includes controlling behaviours specific to individual relationships." Here the harm is virtually symmetrical between partners. Experience for females is 5.3% and males, 5.2%.

I return to my main point that Marama's blanket statement - especially use of the word 'overwhelmingly' - doesn't withstand scrutiny.

The briefing to her as incoming Minister says that 76 percent of family violence incidents were not reported to police and, "A true picture of the scale of harm across New Zealand is unclear." Yet she is emphatic in her statements.

david said...

Stuff now has a lead headline defending Davidson
Marama Davidson shouldn’t have to apologise for telling the truth about the prevalence of white male violence, an academic says.

Eileen Joy, a professional teaching fellow and doctoral candidate at the University of Auckland, has come out in support of Davidson, saying that statistics on family violence don’t always paint the full picture. Her PhD thesis looks at child protection in Aotearoa.

I don't know about Aotearoa, but for New Zealand i would trust your figures over those of a PhD student.