tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post248348995487522786..comments2024-03-04T16:39:30.609+13:00Comments on Lindsay Mitchell: We should be gratefulLindsay Mitchellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04437693272797130833noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-66404735183623908802011-03-25T10:03:50.469+13:002011-03-25T10:03:50.469+13:00I never said solo mums (to exclude fathers), I was...I never said solo mums (to exclude fathers), I was always pretty careful to say solo "parents"<br /><br />Any child support paid by the non custodial parent goes to the government to pay for DPB, unless the non custodial is paying more than the DPB (the balance goes to other parent), or the other parent it working.<br /><br />The DPB is only actually $270p/w, it is supplemented by accomodation allowance & family assistance. Which most working families are entitled to. Infact people earning up to $100k can claim some form of assistance, which compared to the $14k solo parents recieve is a little bit sinister in my opinion.<br /><br />Not everyone can pull off working and raising children, it all depends on the level of support they recieve from family, friends and the non custodial parents, not to mention the employer. In an environment with no support it is extremely difficult and hard on the children. As it is with welfare, its not so different living a non welfare existance - no one really gives a shit.<br /><br />I suggest if you guys have a problem with tax dollars and how they are spent, dig a little deeper. IRD, ACC, and WINZ (to name a few) are the most inneficient administrations I've ever seen in operation. A multinational corporation would fail under these conditions, but they are run on tax payer money, so they just keep throwing money at the bottomless pit.<br /><br />But hey, what would I know, I'm just a baby factory, with no education, draining the country.gkmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-27239533344011297632011-03-24T22:47:24.087+13:002011-03-24T22:47:24.087+13:00Good on you goodkiwimum - deep down some of these ...Good on you goodkiwimum - deep down some of these people know you are right and at least one is a self-professed bullshit artist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-33595962489971369162011-03-21T13:03:05.360+13:002011-03-21T13:03:05.360+13:00I responded Lindasy's comment that its not fai...<i>I responded Lindasy's comment that its not fair that some incomes are lower than dpb rates. I agree, but lets get wages higher. </i><br />If wages grow, do you honestly believe that there won't be calls to increase welfare accordingly?Spamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-9249190516131414342011-03-21T09:52:18.213+13:002011-03-21T09:52:18.213+13:00Good kiwi mum - Warm and Loving's question is ...Good kiwi mum - Warm and Loving's question is a very valid one.<br /><br /><b>For every child born, there's a father and a mother.</b><br /><br />When we are discussing the issue of solo mothers (or "parents" if we're to be pc about it), we tend to forget the fathers.<br /><br />Here's a novel idea on how to reduce the burden of raising kids if you're a solo mum - name the dad and have him help out.<br /><br /><b>Make declaring the father a condition for receiving welfare.</b><br /><br />Then some of the cost of raising the kids can be covered by the father's child support payments.<br /><br /><b>In fact, make the mummy and daddy pay for <i>all</i> of the cost of raising kids.</b><br /><br />That's what we responsible folk have to do. (as well as pay for yours)<br /><br />RufusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-80682660475336237642011-03-17T22:31:01.631+13:002011-03-17T22:31:01.631+13:00ive actually used the term "parent" more...ive actually used the term "parent" more than i have mother, read back and you will find im right.<br /><br /><br />assume assume assume, is all any of you have done - great jobgkmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-54407058813907286122011-03-17T21:18:06.482+13:002011-03-17T21:18:06.482+13:00Is there a ‘Good Kiwi Dad’ anywhere in the frame o...Is there a ‘Good Kiwi Dad’ anywhere in the frame or is this a case of immaculate conception?Paul Goodsorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14781782197534347279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-74960593481257271032011-03-17T19:11:26.666+13:002011-03-17T19:11:26.666+13:00I'm sick of all the nasty sweeping generalisat...I'm sick of all the nasty sweeping generalisations about solo parents, as far as I'm concerned none of you know, cos obviously you have never done it, otherwise you would never never say these things.<br /><br />I can't be bothered with this, you guys were all probably schoolyard bullies as well. I'm glad I'm raising my kids to be better than that.<br /><br />I'm stepping out of this now - please continue with all your bright ideas about how to eradicate one parent families, I'm sure you will feel much better when you are all richer as a result...goodkiwimumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-27169969240142119972011-03-17T19:04:43.423+13:002011-03-17T19:04:43.423+13:00You disapprove of MPs wages. You just ignore that...You disapprove of MPs wages. You just ignore that fact that they have worked hard and made sacrifices to obtain their positions. People like you really make me angry, from your comments it seems that you have no idea how hard people work to reach their goals. Solo parents have the responsibilities of two parents and many are not equip to cope and consequently neglect their children. The taxpayer feels cheated they are paying to support children and their parents on the DPB yet increasing they have to cope with more crime in society and a raft of other costs to address bad upbringings. <br /><br />I do not mean to be critical of all solo mothers, I am sure their are some who are wonderful parents but the DPB is also creating poverty and disfunction.<br /><br />GloriaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-81482186396345576422011-03-17T19:00:57.455+13:002011-03-17T19:00:57.455+13:00Michael - that is not even worthy of a reply
My e...Michael - that is not even worthy of a reply<br /><br />My experience of solo mothers is based on my experience, how many do you actually personally know, or are you assuming, like most of the posters here did about me.<br /><br />Man you guys have some serious frustration to vent lolgoodkiwimumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-2804331356212198172011-03-17T18:55:20.078+13:002011-03-17T18:55:20.078+13:00I used to be quite bigoted also, thankfully I woke...<i>I used to be quite bigoted also, thankfully I woke up.</i><br /><br />so in another words it was just all a big whine and quiet tantrum and "I hate you."<br /><br /><i>How far you get in life, depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant of the weak...and the strong. Because someday in your life, you will have been all of these</i><br /><br />proof and relevance?mike250https://www.blogger.com/profile/13771261746381180701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-8996697152758758812011-03-17T18:42:47.481+13:002011-03-17T18:42:47.481+13:00"How far you get in life, depends on your bei..."How far you get in life, depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant of the weak...and the strong. Because someday in your life, you will have been all of these"<br /><br />proof?Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-42006238389484149182011-03-17T18:36:53.313+13:002011-03-17T18:36:53.313+13:00I think you will find most parents recieving a ben...<i>I think you will find most parents recieving a benefit, are hardworking honest people who never thought they would end up this way and have worked hard most of their life</i><br /><br />source? and the methodology for that source too? Not just more hearsay.<br /><br /><i>A lot of people rip of the systems from the poorest members of society, right up to the richest. The only difference is the rich can cover their tracks and make it all look legit</i><br /><br />that should tell you that the system is flawed then, and you've already admitted that the poor rip it off too. That doesn't fix the system.mike250https://www.blogger.com/profile/13771261746381180701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-65983471297972843052011-03-17T18:04:50.965+13:002011-03-17T18:04:50.965+13:00ooops that was supposed to be goodkiwimum
=)ooops that was supposed to be goodkiwimum<br /><br />=)goodkiwimumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-85908973707486927912011-03-17T18:03:13.410+13:002011-03-17T18:03:13.410+13:00haha someone chose to raise you....? right? or wer...haha someone chose to raise you....? right? or were you just born an employed tax paying citizen...<br /><br />This is my favourite saying:<br /><br />"How far you get in life, depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant of the weak...and the strong. Because someday in your life, you will have been all of these"<br /><br />I used to be quite bigoted also, thankfully I woke up.<br /><br />Good luck to all of you on your journeys and I do so terribly hope you will never need assistance of any kind - I can see it will be very hard for you to bear given your current attitude.<br /><br />Kia Kahagonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-66159998770731719382011-03-17T18:02:49.296+13:002011-03-17T18:02:49.296+13:00a tiny proportion of tax revenues is spent on fami...<i>a tiny proportion of tax revenues is spent on families, which I beleive is a noble cause</i><br /><br />whose money--taken from them by what means?Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-1741501577479385782011-03-17T17:56:13.187+13:002011-03-17T17:56:13.187+13:00I'm not into this "me, me, me, I, I, I&qu...<i>I'm not into this "me, me, me, I, I, I" philosophy that is bred into us now.</i><br /><br />Really? If it were bred into us, that would make it not our responsibility.<br /><br /><br /><i>I'm happy for my tax money to be supporting them.</i> <br /><br />Then you could just donate to a voluntary charity.<br /><br /><i>It shows how little people value raising children as an actual job, especially for one person to do alone.</i><br /><br />people choose to raise kids. They took that on themselves. Not our problem to help them do it.Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-10900787097643557382011-03-17T17:48:58.816+13:002011-03-17T17:48:58.816+13:00well i got my info from here, which I think is far...well i got my info from here, which I think is far more credible than your little calculator =)<br /><br />http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/2010/datagoodkiwimumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-38036427261970081462011-03-17T16:53:43.678+13:002011-03-17T16:53:43.678+13:00Anyone can go here: http://tax.southgatelabs.com/
...Anyone can go here: http://tax.southgatelabs.com/<br />and see how their taxes are spent. But it all comes out basically the same: 2/3rds of your taxes go straight onto welfare, and cutting boutique ministers or "waste" <b>makes basically no difference</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-8862533577724007562011-03-17T12:24:59.435+13:002011-03-17T12:24:59.435+13:00Education: 12.5 + Health: 12.7 + Welfare: 24.2 = 4...Education: 12.5 + Health: 12.7 + Welfare: 24.2 = 49.4Bn every year.<br /><br />http://www.treasury.govt.nz/government/expenditure<br /><br />set against that, however much waste is in the $4Bn core expenditure is almost non-existent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-63657076153644980982011-03-17T12:12:14.033+13:002011-03-17T12:12:14.033+13:00you are pulling figures out of your butt now. 21B...you are pulling figures out of your butt now. 21Bn on welfare of which only 2.9 is spent on solo parentsgoodkiwimumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-55823855456373681102011-03-17T11:48:44.634+13:002011-03-17T11:48:44.634+13:00You are all totally ignoring the glaringly obvious...<i>You are all totally ignoring the glaringly obvious truth that a lot of money is wasted on bullshit and beaurocracy</i><br /><br />That's because it simply isn't true. Especially in NZ, there is little "waste" or "fat" to cut, and very little corruption. <br /><br />The amount of tax revenue - <b>$4Bn spent in total</b> - let alone "wasted" - on "bullshit" and "beaurocracy" is absolutely tiny compared with the amount "wasted" on welfare - $50Bn. <br /><br />If 10% of government spending was "waste" - a very high estimate - it is about <b>one hundredth</b> of the amount spent on benefits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-82484382966407436502011-03-17T11:10:52.003+13:002011-03-17T11:10:52.003+13:00@anon 10:17
Well I guess that at the end of the d...@anon 10:17<br /><br />Well I guess that at the end of the day it depends on what you value and where your priorities lie. I believe we have a responsibility to eachother. If my neighbour needed help, I would respond with help.<br /><br />I'm not into this "me, me, me, I, I, I" philosophy that is bred into us now. Who decides which contribution to society is more important than another. Is education and health an investment or a waste? Are new BMW's for MP's an investment or a waste. Is money the god here, has it replaced good will and compassion, it would seem so. <br /><br />You are all totally ignoring the glaringly obvious truth that a lot of money is wasted on bullshit and beaurocracy. A lot of people rip of the systems from the poorest members of society, right up to the richest. The only difference is the rich can cover their tracks and make it all look legit.<br /><br />You can have your opinion about the welfare state, I'm not changing mine though.<br /><br />I am confused about your comment re: insults, are you saying non insulting posts won't get through????goodkiwimumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-63458294563077549862011-03-17T10:58:37.075+13:002011-03-17T10:58:37.075+13:00GKM-Yes of course we should have safety nets for p...GKM-Yes of course we should have safety nets for people who fall on hard times, <br />That is the original premise of the social welfare system.<br />But do you really think our present system is sustainable?<br /><br /><br />Our standard of living did not just fall out of the sky, it was a long slow process of evolution.<br />And actually not as slow as we think, try some essential reading as to how we got out of poverty:<br />” The 10,000 Year Explosion” and “A Farewell to Alms”.<br /><br />This has pretty much been reversed in a couple of generations through welfarism and the worst aspects of feminism.<br /><br /><br />NZ does not have poverty, it has relative poverty.<br /><br />Poverty is humanity’s default setting. No mysteries there. <br />No need for the universities to study it. <br />Why do we keep buying more of it?<br /><br />Poverty of thought and ideas and motivation is what is holding the country back.<br /><br />More mysterious and interesting is how people become entrepreneurs, and think their way out of poverty.<br />Let’s talk about that more often, and let’s create the conditions where it is allowed to flourish.FFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-7658649325938529102011-03-17T10:17:55.043+13:002011-03-17T10:17:55.043+13:00Even the most ardent right winger is compassionate...<i>Even the most ardent right winger is compassionate enough to help those that are truly in need</i><br /><br />Wrong. Many "rightwingers" - i.e. mainstream productive Kiwis - are fed up to the back teeth with bludgers of all sorts. Many many more Kiwis are absolutely <b>fed up with the government taking huge amounts of taxes and recycling it to bludgers in the name of "compassion"</b><br /><br />We're borrowing $15Bn a year. The entire welfare system costs $12Bn. Super. education, health cost roughly another $12 each. that's a huge amount.<br /><br />There. Is. Simply. No. Money. For. Any. Of. It.<br /><br /><i>the only response and comment that has not insulted me </i><br /><br />That's because many many other "insulting" comments wouldn't have got past the rule about profanity and threatening physical violence to children.<br /><br /><i>Im happy for my tax money to be supporting them</i><br /><br />Most mainstream productive kiwis <b>are not</b>. In fact we're really really really unhappy. Besides, bludgers, bennies civil servants wffers etc <b>don't pay any tax</b><br /><br /><i>a tiny proportion [of tax revenues] is spent on families, which I beleive is a noble cause.</i><br /><br />Nope. welfare, super, health, education take up <b>pretty much all</b> of the governments tax revenue, plus the $15Bn we're borrowing every year.<br /><br />ministries? mps? the entire "bureaucracy" - less than 4Bn. Cops: 3Bn. The Army; civil defence, roads, railways, and all govt business cost another 12Bn but bring in about nearly as much in charges etc. <br /><b>So basically all taxes are spent on welfare for bludgers of one kind or another</b><br /><br /><i> but lets get wages higher</i><br /><br />How do we do that? Kiwis simply aren't worth paying any more than they are now - in fact, most are worth less. Don't you get it: a Kiwi worker is worth 2/3rds of an Aussie. You may not like it but its the fact.<br />So, if we didn't have to spend <b>all tax revenues on welfare</b> then we could cut taxes: and that certainly would raise after-tax wages!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-77542667846493935132011-03-17T06:32:26.626+13:002011-03-17T06:32:26.626+13:00Thank you FF, the only response and comment that h...Thank you FF, the only response and comment that has not insulted me or presumed anything about me and has actually said something that warrants an answer.<br /><br />I understand your frustration about being a self employed business owner, I was one once, and sometimes it hardly seems worth it for all the paperwork and endless bills. So attack that, why do the government make it so hard.<br /><br />Ultimately approx 110,000 families are being supported by our govt, before the recession it was more like 70,000. Im happy for my tax money to be supporting them. Yes there is a small % of these people who will rip of the system, but these people are the ones who would be dishonest anyway, not just because they are a beneficiary.<br /><br />I think you will find most parents recieving a benefit, are hardworking honest people who never thought they would end up this way and have worked hard most of their life. Anyone who thoght raising kids would be a "way out" of having to work would soon realise their mistake. Its no cake walk.<br /><br />All I am trying to point out is that a lot of our tax revenue is wasted, spent on stuff we wouldnt want it to be spent on, a tiny proportion is spent on families, which I beleive is a noble cause.<br /><br />It's been the fashion to attck solo parent families for bringing this country to its knees and I think thats totally rediculous.<br /><br />I responded Lindasy's comment that its not fair that some incomes are lower than dpb rates. I agree, but lets get wages higher. It's disgusting how the poverty is growing in this country, it's also disgusting to blame minority groups who are just trying to get along. It shows how little people value raising children as an actual job, especially for one person to do alone.goodkiwimumnoreply@blogger.com