tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post1822573911490404326..comments2024-03-04T16:39:30.609+13:00Comments on Lindsay Mitchell: Ill-equipped to understand Maori, lecturer claimsLindsay Mitchellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04437693272797130833noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-62501342236525777942010-06-01T15:34:13.728+12:002010-06-01T15:34:13.728+12:00Brian
I should have been more specific.
Maori wer...Brian<br /> I should have been more specific.<br />Maori were unable to vote on the european role unless they were at least half caste and could prove indiviual land ownership. other than that they were allowed their vote on the Maori role which was cast by a verbal vote to the returning officer. Full voting rights for Maori didnt come until the 1970's<br />I'm off to a Port Nicholson Tenths trust meeting this evening in Palmerston North to hear what the two hundred odd million is going to be spent on. They always have a grouse feed at the end, yummmm.<br /><br />DirkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-7626606002301576852010-06-01T14:20:36.589+12:002010-06-01T14:20:36.589+12:00I don't sympathize with them and see no reason...I don't sympathize with them and see no reason to do so.Monoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-18921154534861903182010-06-01T08:03:23.119+12:002010-06-01T08:03:23.119+12:00Anonymous - if Maori were unable to vote until the...Anonymous - if Maori were unable to vote until the 1940s, then why were Maori seats were created in the 19th Century? Perhaps it was to get around the land ownership rules that governmed if you had a franchise to exercise. Maori men had universal suffrage before European men in New Zealand.brian_smallerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05402642885274753098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-3475520810228116442010-06-01T00:17:51.711+12:002010-06-01T00:17:51.711+12:00Anon - "There are no laws in NZ that discrim...Anon - "There are no laws in NZ that discriminate in any way against maori, quite the reverse actually." <br /><br />you have clearly been out to lunch for a while.<br /><br />the rest of this post is cliches stuck together in sentences. You imply history will become 'more unbalanced' if Maori history gets taught at school. How? and more importantly Why?<br /><br />you refer to 12% of population as a homogenous 'they', as if hard work eludes an entire section of the community. A falsity,and a myth.<br /><br />'stone age beliefs' - tells me you know nothing about maori tikanga at all, nor do you give any credit to the amazing adaptability Maori have had to employ in order to stay afloat in a non-Maori world.<br /><br />you don't respect people who hold a grudge - again you apply this reasoning to all who identify as Maori, with no understanding of what said grudge might actually be.<br /><br />'be sensible with their money' instead of talking about Maori as if they don't know how to manage a dollar, perhaps you could point this in Mark Hotchins direction while he languishes in 43k perday hawaiian hotel without paying back a cent to his mum and dad investors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-45290333021519366992010-05-31T19:48:52.633+12:002010-05-31T19:48:52.633+12:00Cripes, lets throw more taxpayer money at this &qu...Cripes, lets throw more taxpayer money at this "problem"<br />Lets close the gap a bit more by creating some more bullshit jobs and wasting more young peoples time lecturing them about how bad white men were.<br />Teach them they must respect stone-age beliefs and that it's ok to have such beliefs stand in the way of prosperity.<br />This garbage is shoved down kids throats on a daily basis. The history taught is completely unbalanced already, it does not need to be made more so.<br />Maori are people just like the rest of us and I see no good reason to respect their feelings any more than I respect the feelings of any other person.<br />I'm not interested in having any respect for people who hold a grudge or feel some angst for things done to other people by other people long ago.<br /><br />No maori in NZ is prevented from becoming wealthy by any law in NZ<br />if they are prepared to work hard and be sensible with their money.<br />Just as it is for the rest of us.<br />There are no laws in NZ that discriminate in any way against maori, quite the reverse actually.<br /><br />That's how I live, in the present,<br />the only place anyone can live.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-71694708830072361842010-05-31T13:30:22.052+12:002010-05-31T13:30:22.052+12:00I agree with the articles sentiments. Speak to non...I agree with the articles sentiments. Speak to non-Maori about Maori history from a Maori experience and faces go blank. People either look on uncomfortably and say stuff like 'but thats in the past'or they say stuff like 'well thats YOUR opinion'. As if history from a Maori perspective is only an opinion and not a lived reality.<br />The key to it is more than gathering an appreciation for the historical abuse and policy based exclusion of Maori, it is more than saying 'oh how sad', it has to be 'OK I GET IT NOW.' <br />In order to change the implicit attitudes of Non-Maori who don't know and don't understand it is up to those of us who do know to pass this knowledge onto our children in a positive and responsible transmission.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-70814309528786122492010-05-31T10:38:23.847+12:002010-05-31T10:38:23.847+12:00Lindsay
If my memory serves me well you could als...Lindsay <br />If my memory serves me well you could also add to your list Maori were unable to vote until the 1940's. Though I'm a tad older, your experiences with things Maori mirror my own.<br /><br />I was mulling over my memories of stick games with rolled up newspapers and papermache pois just the other day. A treat at <br />primary school was to watch the black and white movie Rewi's Last Stand. It was a favourite of the Headmaster at Wilford school in petone. By the time I'd left I must have seen it 20 times. <br />The Headmaster was fluent in the reo. He would give tuition to top students.Needless to say I struggled on with english.<br /><br />DirkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-67570099031114971492010-05-31T10:28:56.361+12:002010-05-31T10:28:56.361+12:00My apologies for the mistake when spelling your na...My apologies for the mistake when spelling your name, Lindsay.Manolonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-9925604040049049152010-05-31T10:27:33.693+12:002010-05-31T10:27:33.693+12:00Lidsat said: That doesn't mean I go for the vi...Lidsat said: That doesn't mean I go for the victimhood approach..<br /><br />neither do I.<br /><br />Unfortunately, history is written by the victors, not the vanquished.<br /><br />Maoridom appears stuck on past grievances and have shown little inclination to move on.<br /><br />Historical abuses must be addressed and settled, no doubt. But it does require a honest effort from the two parties involved.Manolonoreply@blogger.com