tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post1418028675104663097..comments2024-03-04T16:39:30.609+13:00Comments on Lindsay Mitchell: Why Internet/Mana should be taken seriouslyLindsay Mitchellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04437693272797130833noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-77840843170624019812014-05-31T08:30:13.376+12:002014-05-31T08:30:13.376+12:00I went to Uni in the 1970s. I couldn't afford ...I went to Uni in the 1970s. I couldn't afford to go straight from school so worked form 4 years then headed off. The work experience I gained is enduringly valuable and I had a decent fund of monies to pay for uni. It wasn't by any means free to go to uni. The fees were stiff as were books, living costs etc. Having worked for a national company before going there I was able to return to them during holidays to relieve staff and cover illnesses. Getting to uni at 22 wasn't a bad thing at all especially so in that I had no residual debt on graduation.<br /><br />CadwalladerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-38926314854770742692014-05-30T18:07:44.403+12:002014-05-30T18:07:44.403+12:00The basic point - and the one good result from ACT...The basic point - and the one good result from ACT's campaigns and policies so far - is that <b>no-one in generation X, generation Y, or the Millenials believes that Super will be there for them</b>. Except the hard leftists, I guess, but there's no changing their minds. <br /><br />So: given that, an argument "you won't get the super in the future, vote for us and you won't have student loans now" will be pretty attractive. And, again, any rational 18-25 year old would frankly vote for it.<br /><br />But you're right, Lindsay, the real target of Helen's free student loan bribe wasn't to the students, it was to their parents. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-44547647751455698152014-05-30T18:01:41.695+12:002014-05-30T18:01:41.695+12:00I didn't use the words "nasty,greedy,self...<i>I didn't use the words "nasty,greedy,selfish" and it doesn't have to get personal </i><br /><br />But it is personal Lindsay, and anyone, left of right, claiming it isn't is simply delusional.<br /><br />10% of Kiwis pay for everything for the other 90%. <br />in fact, 1% of Kiwis pay for everything for about 80%. <br /><br />If that's not nasty, greedy, and selfish I don't know what is. <br /><br />Of course, any real reform will throw most of the 90% into penury in the short term, and greatly reduce circumstances in the long term. Since these bludgers don't carry their own weight, that's only to be expected. <br /><br />The idea that a large fraction of Kiwis in 2015 (whole families including children) might e.g. need to enter domestic service just to ensure they have a bed for the night and food to eat is something a majority of Kiwis find intolerable. It is the basic economic truth of the matter. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-69520338699914232092014-05-30T11:48:35.702+12:002014-05-30T11:48:35.702+12:00I went in the late seventies and there were textbo...I went in the late seventies and there were textbooks to buy and maybe some minor course fees (from memory). Living away from home with a part-time job it was manageable without a large loan. Most people didn't go to Uni because jobs didn't require degrees and a lot of girls were still pretty much waiting to get married and start families.Lindsay Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04437693272797130833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-4137800017011833472014-05-30T10:46:54.190+12:002014-05-30T10:46:54.190+12:00Why is it that the "free" tertiary educa...Why is it that the "free" tertiary education myth get propagated relating to the baby boomer generation. It was not free!!!! Hence lots of youngsters did not go to University. Yes there were burseries to help fund the "brighter" kids. Just look at the % of kids who went to Uni then as opposed to teh % who go now and expect to go as some sort of right!<br />CONTEST DIRECTORS DESKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16281853034198190386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-85136671135064792232014-05-30T09:51:44.869+12:002014-05-30T09:51:44.869+12:00I was speculating about what their strategy could ...I was speculating about what their strategy could be. I didn't use the words "nasty,greedy,selfish" and it doesn't have to get personal (though it isn't unusual for political parties of any hue to get personal). <br /><br />My relationship with my parents and my children is better than "reasonable", but it doesn't preclude thinking about what is fair in generational terms (given the redistributive society we exist in). That is why I favour lifting the Super age and some of the future burden off younger taxpayers.<br /><br />It's possible Internet/Mana plan to fund free tertiary education from higher taxes.Lindsay Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04437693272797130833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19962237.post-4650021848125142602014-05-30T09:16:11.817+12:002014-05-30T09:16:11.817+12:00Lindsay
The proposition may still be difficult to...Lindsay<br /><br />The proposition may still be difficult to sell to youth 18 years and over. Those nasty greedy selfish older folks that Internet/Mana are talking about, are their parents. <br /><br />If the ‘youth’ have a reasonable relationship with their parents, and don’t view them as negatively as Mana / Internet Party do then it could easily backfire.<br /><br />Being young doesn't necessary equate to being stupid and easily manipulated.Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.com