Monday, February 15, 2016

PM says something useful

In Parliament last week, after a great deal of belly-aching and nagging by Metiria Turei about taxing people more, the Prime Minister responded:

"...our whole system relies on people getting out of bed in the morning, working hard, and paying taxes. In my experience, there are literally millions of New Zealanders who get up every morning, who do not want the Government to give them a handout, and certainly just want to have a fair system in which to operate."

Then, with some prompting from David Seymour

"As we know, when we have a broad-based, low rate that is fairly applied, actually what you see is that New Zealanders get on and they pay their tax bills. They do not spend time trying to avoid taxes. What we know, actually, with the Green Party and, to be frank, with the Labour Party, is that all they know how to do is spend other people’s money, when the rest of the country is actually focused on how to make money."

Just thought I'd put that up this morning because we don't hear the PM nailing his colours to the mast (other than the flag mast) often enough.

Many of us don't see  a great deal of difference between National and Labour when it comes to spending. But it is also inescapable that to stay in power National has to play a pragmatic game balancing taxing and spending for the greatest political gain. It must frustrate the PM and a number of MPs equally. But in a democracy, is there a choice other than slowly,slowly, catch a monkey?


5 comments:

Brendan McNeill said...

"But in a democracy, is there a choice other than slowly,slowly, catch a monkey"

Probably not, but a serious PM would also be looking to reform those institutions that believe there is a future to be had in spending other people's money. Education comes to mind. If we taught all children more about our history, those people and institutions that purchased the liberty we enjoy today, the forces that presently oppose it, and even a little economics 101 then the PM would be putting in place a legacy that provides an opportunity to preserve western civilisation rather than squander it.

I doubt his parliamentary pep talks will achieve much in the long run.

Anonymous said...

"... low rate that is fairly applied ..."

That depends on how you perceive what low and fair look like. I would have thought Seymour would be thinking that tax rates at present levels are far too high and far from fair but that may be the result of me expecting him to be on the right of politics rather than the middle left endorsing a plank of the communist manifesto. Clearly I was mistaken but I won't make that mistake twice.

3:16

Angry Tory said...

In my experience, there are literally millions of New Zealanders who get up every morning, who do not want the Government to give them a handout,

except that they do. they - we - all do!

Welfare for Families - most so-called workers are actually bludgers.
National Party Superannuation - and plan to bludge as soon as they turn 60
State Education - a handout that almost every Kiwi family accepts
State "Heallthcare" - a handout that almost every Kiwi family accepts as soon as their first child is born.

I would have thought Seymour would be thinking that tax rates at present levels are far too high and far from fair

Even Seymour is far, far to the left of avowed open communist Bernie Sanders! We don't have any middle-left politics in NZ.


"But in a democracy, is there a choice other than slowly,slowly, catch a monkey"

Sure there is. NZ 1991. NZ 1984. UK 1986.

Roger Douglas said: ""Define your objectives clearly, and move towards them in quantum leaps, otherwise the interest groups will have time to mobilise and drag you down". Imagine what Ruth would have done given the so-called "GFC". You can bet the BIG FOUR handouts listed above would all have been gone by lunchtime!

That was NZ in my lifetime - how on earth did we get to here: Key admits support for communism - http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0807/S00526.htm

Redbaiter said...

"But in a democracy, is there a choice other than slowly,slowly, catch a monkey"

Of course there are choices.

If you want an example of people who have taken advantage of those choices there is Trump in the US and Farage in the UK. Thatcher way back. Reagan also way back.

Key has no message because he has no conviction because he doesn't believe in anything. Except his own vain ambition to be PM.

I don't give a damn what he says, I judge him by what he does, and in fact he's gone back on almost every issue that ever made him once worth a vote.

A socialist loser and the worst PM in the history of this country.

Worst is an extreme term you think?

I don't. He's the worst because he has seduced NZ deeper into socialism whilst pretending to be a right winger. Tricked the voters but worse led them to think his hard left cronyist high taxing big spending socialist govt is some kind of alternative to Labour.

It was essential that NZ turned around after 9 years of Helen Clark. We didn't, we just continued on the same path while Key mouthed off as if we were going somewhere different.

The country now dwells deeply in the delusion that a National Party that has gone so far left it has taken all of Labour's political territory is some kind of right wing alternative.

In reality we've now had 16 years of hard left socialism. Its ever more deeply embedded in NZ's psyche, the country is pretty much ruined mentally and its Key who is to blame for this degeneration.

He's a shyster and a conman. Shouting loudly at the opposition in parliament about how he's a better socialist than they are is about all he's good for.

Jamie said...

Apologies if my language is coarse, and fair warning it gets worse, so if you got the thin skin, or a heart condition, probably best you stop reading

I know the politicians read your work Lindsay. That Turei can stick this video where the sun don't shine...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pCfEguYFT0
min 3.50 for you Turei

$120 BILLION IN THE HOLE IS WHAT!!#&@!!!!
That's $25,000 each
The juice alone is $5 billion pa
http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/newzealand

[I feel my blood pressure rising every time I look at that dam clock]

Some may call shamelessly running up the national debt and flooding MY COUNTRY with immigrants sound economic policy. I reckon a retard could of come up with better

THE PUBLIC PURSE IS A TAONGA!!!
I will say that again for the children in parliament
THE PUBLIC PURSE IS A TAONGA!!!
And ya'll jackasses piss it away and treat it like it's all a big joke or something.

You left-wing assholes running the show can't pass a surplus in the good times - so can some bright spark explain to me what happens when the world economy takes a dump and turns south, like proper south, like worse than back in my Grandaddy's day????
Them coffers ain't exactly filled to overflowing with gold and silver so tell me how all the govt troughers, from the army of politicians/bureaucrats, to the hordes of [heroic] solo mummies, to the pensioners, is gonna feed themselves when the global credit goes crunch???

What about the troops aye, they're on the public payroll - Has the defence force followed my recommendation and ripped up them golf courses and planted food crops yet??? I phoned the MOD about this and got fobbed off by some mincer so I wrote this in case ya'll didn't get the memo....

https://r1016132.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/an-army-marches-on-its-stomach-nzdf-why-havent-you-ripped-those-golf-courses-up-yet/

Now I hope you hot-shots running the show have got your A-game [A for adult] coz if I'm right [hopefully I'm just wrong/crazy] and y'all fuck this up with your nonchalant/she'll be right attitude/no need to prepare for economic collapse/WW3 I reckon y'all gonna get a lot of Kiwi's hurt, or worse.

Fair warning

[And where is my Man's house is his castle law David? Or is that all shit? Suppose it won't matter anyways when the hungry hordes come]